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Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by Mark Davenport

Mark Davenport — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:59:49 +0000

These are powerful words. Saying that the bishops were more concerned with loyalty to Rome than the safety of children is surely something to ponder. Many of them should be ashamed.

Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by Mark Davenport

Mark Davenport — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:58:33 +0000

Powerful words there. Loyalty to Rome was more important than the safety of children. What a shame.

Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by Cathie Crawford

Cathie Crawford — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:41:26 +0000

I agree with everything you wrote John but you need to have someone proof read these before you put it out on the web. Too many typos and misspelled words – even Catholic. The mistakes were all in the email I got with the green leaf logo. They do not appear above for some reason.

Comment on USCCB Memory Problems : How Could They Forget Cardinal Cushing by Sara Deborah Damewood

Sara Deborah Damewood — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:38:30 +0000

Kudos to Cardinal Cushing. I hope some of today’s bishops follow his example!

Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by Deacon Bill

Deacon Bill — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:29:23 +0000

The hierarchy of the Roman Church has been in schism with the laity since the publication of Humanae Vitae in 1968. The fact that the hierarchy of the Roman Church caused so many children to be sodomized by their secrecy and blind obedience to Rome has destoyed whatever credibility and authority they had. The insistance of Rome to maintain positions of resistance to further reform are decisions that add to the destruction of the church. The laity of the church are ignored by the hierarchy unless you are a big money donor. The laity in the pews put up with it all as long as it doesn’t affect them directly in their parishes.
But that too is changing now that Rome has seen fit to impose its stilted “latinized” English on our prayers. The hierarchy insists that the Eucharist is of the highest importance, yet Rome by its insistence on an all male mandatory celibate priesthood, has in effect made mandatory Celibacy more important than Eucharist. And because Rome has restricted the priesthood, the laity are having their parishes closed and consolidated. The Exodus of Catholics from this Rome controlled church is only going to accelerate a massive loss of parishes. It is a downward spiral caused by Rome and its hierarchy of supplicant, obedient, hand-picked bishops.

What is needed is an American Catholic Church who leadership is elected by Americans.
Most Catholics don’t know that up until 1850 bishops were “elected” on the local level by the local Catholic Church and not chosen by the Vatican Pope.. That is the real tradition of the Catholic Church: Local leadership chosen by the local community. Alas, their is little hope that the Roman hierarchy will ever give up its “cookie-cutter” mentality

The elitist Americans who are now bishops pledged at their installation absolute medieval feudal obedience to the Bishop of Rome. They are no longer free to be loyal to the American community.
Whatever representations they make to Rome will have no bering on what the Pope decides unless what they say is in full conformity with the Pope’s views.

As such, the term American hierarchy is a misnomer. The Roman chosen bishops were only accidentally born in the United States. Our so-called “American” bishops betrayed the children of our parishes in obedience to Rome. If they were willing to do that, there is no limit on what they are willing to do in obedience. To the Pope loyalty in the form of absolute obedience is more important than love. If you don’t think so, just ask a child that has been sodomized.

Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by phrogge

phrogge — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:39:45 +0000

John, if the stated value of the hierarchy is that they would be satisfied with a smaller yet more “authentic” church, why should they care if folks are leaving? Perhaps there might be room for another tradition in the Church. I don’t know how much longer some of us can remain in this one. The current climate is no way to treat folks. The Holy Spirit is alive and well, but what is she calling us to?

Comment on USCCB Memory Problems : How Could They Forget Cardinal Cushing by phrogge

phrogge — Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:32:22 +0000

John, this is good. Cushing was a good person with real world relationships. I heard this story a number of times before and admired him because of it, but reading your version in the light of all that is going on these days makes me wonder if the current leadership (I hate to use such a dignified word in current circumstances) have any real heartfelt relationships that would help them interpret their principles in the setting of flesh and blood folks, the folks many of us deal with every day.

Comment on SPECIAL REPORT : USCCB CUSTOMER SERVICE SLIPPING by Patrick Edgar

Patrick Edgar — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:54:05 +0000

You are right on target with these comments, John. I usually tell people that I have not left the Catholic Church but it has left me.

Comment on American Catholics : To Hell Wih You! by Bill McDonald

Bill McDonald — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:00:16 +0000

The bishops stance is just more blind obedience to Rome interfering in U.S. politics. What makes their claim that the government is “violating the consciences of American Catholics” so ludicrious is the hierarchy’s criticism of over 80% of U.S. catholics who have followed their consciencies in rejecting “Humanae Vitae.” The Sensus Fidelium of the U.S. Catholic Church has consistently rejected the hierarchy’s teaching on artificial contraception. So now the bishops who cannot convince the vast majority of the catholic laity about opposing artificial contraception are trying to convince the electorate including non-catholics to support “Rome’s cause.”
It is just a “red herring” to all, but a blind infallible absolutist minority of catholics who continue to support the holiness of the hierarchy in spite of the hierarchy’s crimes of sodomy against children.
Free enterpise Insurance companies should be allowed to offer contraceptive services at all hospitals, and let the free maket choices of individuals prevail. That may not be Rome’s way, but it is the American way.

Comment on Clarity, Consience and Catholic Confusion by John W. Greenleaf

John W. Greenleaf — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:02:42 +0000

Sorry for confusion…I meant my final observations about this topic.

No I am not leaving cyberspace

John